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Beautiful Soup
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 Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Bella44 wrote: | | If you need inspiration for your book Alyss, look no further than the European monarchies - especially for the madness angle! |
I thought it was interesting that Queen Margaret of Anjou (the possible inspiration for the QoH) effectively rose to power owing to her husband, Henry VI's *madness* (and therefore, his inability to rule.)
I'd be quite interested to find out a little more about what that madness entailed.
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Bella44
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| Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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Henry Vl suffered periodic bouts of *madness* where he'd become completely withdrawn and totally unaware of everything that was going on around him. One episode lasted for more than a year during which he totally failed to respond to the birth of his own son. He probably inherited the condition from his maternal grandfather, Charles Vl of France who suffered from something very similar.
Margaret of Anjou had very little choice but to pick up the reins of power to protect the throne against the designs of the Yorkists who saw Henry as weak and unfit to rule. Which, sadly, during his illnesses, he was.
They didn't reckon on the strength of Margaret of Anjou though!
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Alyss
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 6:24 am Post subject: |
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http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/.....identity-2
^^^ A Cool read!
This is all great info. I don't think I'll dive deep into the King Henry stuff, though. I'm don't know very much about Kings, since I have an American Public School education. (They don't teach you very much, to say the least...)
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A mosquito was heard to complain
That a chemist had poisoned his brain;
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Beautiful Soup
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Jess
Queen Alice
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Beautiful Soup wrote: | It's just struck me that technically QoH couldn't have inherited the throne - she must have married in. (By the rules of English succession anyway.)
...but it does make me wonder what it might be like for her if the QoH were an outsider, from a royal family based elsewhere, arriving in a new and unfamiliar realm and having to carve a space for herself in an pre-established (and maybe quite rigid) infrastructure. |
Running on from that idea, Tenniel's illustrations of the Queen are in fact based on the Queen of Spades card, not Hearts - they're quite different. So that's an ideal book-inspired foreign origin for her, if you want to go that route.
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 7:42 am Post subject: |
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Ooh! Just had a (modest) idea
It suddenly struck me that Carroll didn't use the joker as a character - it might be fun to write him in as a court jester (or Shakesperian fool type character)
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| Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 10:28 am Post subject: |
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More fun!
Just found this
| Quote: | | "The Queen of Hearts" is a poem based on the characters found on playing cards...originally published with three lesser-known stanzas, "The King of Spades", "The King of Clubs", and "The Diamond King" |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Queen_of_Hearts_(poem)
| Quote: | The King of Spades
The king of spades
He kiss'd the maids,
Which vexed the queen full sore;
The queen of spades
She beat those maids,
And turn'd them out of door:
The knave of spades
Griev'd for these jades
And did for them implore;
The queen so gent
She did relent,
And vow'd she ne're strike more.
The King of Clubs
The king of clubs
He often drubs
His loving queen and wife,
The queen of clubs
returns him snubs:
And all is noise and strife:
The knave of clubs
Gives winks and rubs,
And swears he'll take no parts;
For when our kings
Will do such things,
They should be made to smart
The Diamond King
The diamond king,
I fain would sing
And likewise his fair queen,
But that the knave,
A haughty slave,
Must needs step in between.
Good diamond king
With hempen string,
This haughty knave destroy,
Then may your queen,
With mind serene,
Your royal bed enjoy. |
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/.....nd_King%22
More characters and events to purloin perhaps?
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3rdpoliceman
Lewis Carroll
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| Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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I'd love to see some focus on the Duchess' relationship with her. I always pictured the Duchess as her mother, which is how I'm writing her in my own fanfic at the moment. But I think there's lots to be explored there.
Also, I doubt it'll be like Wicked. Unless, your style of writing is so boring it can douse out the sun, you're probably fine. The difference between Alyss and Gregory Maguire is...Alyss probably can write!(!) Maguire is just some guy who destroys fairytales by sucking the magic out of them and replacing it with pseudo-intellectual drivel, straining for postmodernism by merely making the bad guys the heroes.
From someone on this totally awesome forum, I'd expect a story with actual plots, three-dimensional characters and the ability to actually stay true to the source material. I really hope you get it finished!(!) That's the hardest part of a novel. And sorry for that little ranting tangent._________________ Yesterday upon the stair
I met a man who was not there
I saw that man again today
I wish that man would go away.
http://manbehindthecurtain.ie/ |
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Lewis Carroll
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 2:17 am Post subject: |
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I quite liked Wicked (the book that is, I haven't seen the musical.)
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Alyss
Lewis Carroll
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| Beautiful Soup wrote: | More fun!
Just found this
| Quote: | | "The Queen of Hearts" is a poem based on the characters found on playing cards...originally published with three lesser-known stanzas, "The King of Spades", "The King of Clubs", and "The Diamond King" |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Queen_of_Hearts_(poem)
| Quote: | The King of Spades
The king of spades
He kiss'd the maids,
Which vexed the queen full sore;
The queen of spades
She beat those maids,
And turn'd them out of door:
The knave of spades
Griev'd for these jades
And did for them implore;
The queen so gent
She did relent,
And vow'd she ne're strike more.
The King of Clubs
The king of clubs
He often drubs
His loving queen and wife,
The queen of clubs
returns him snubs:
And all is noise and strife:
The knave of clubs
Gives winks and rubs,
And swears he'll take no parts;
For when our kings
Will do such things,
They should be made to smart
The Diamond King
The diamond king,
I fain would sing
And likewise his fair queen,
But that the knave,
A haughty slave,
Must needs step in between.
Good diamond king
With hempen string,
This haughty knave destroy,
Then may your queen,
With mind serene,
Your royal bed enjoy. |
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/.....nd_King%22
More characters and events to purloin perhaps? |
This will be great for giving some personalities to each character!
In families, you've got all sorts of personalities and relationships. The husband and wife where the man is so sweet and kind, while the wife is a total b*tch. lol that kind of thing. The husband with a wife AND girlfriend. hahaha. Drama drama drama!
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A mosquito was heard to complain
That a chemist had poisoned his brain;
The cause of his sorrow
Was paradichloro-
Diphenyltrichloroethane.
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Alyss
Lewis Carroll
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| 3rdpoliceman wrote: | I'd love to see some focus on the Duchess' relationship with her. I always pictured the Duchess as her mother, which is how I'm writing her in my own fanfic at the moment. But I think there's lots to be explored there.
Also, I doubt it'll be like Wicked. Unless, your style of writing is so boring it can douse out the sun, you're probably fine. The difference between Alyss and Gregory Maguire is...Alyss probably can write!(!) Maguire is just some guy who destroys fairytales by sucking the magic out of them and replacing it with pseudo-intellectual drivel, straining for postmodernism by merely making the bad guys the heroes.
From someone on this totally awesome forum, I'd expect a story with actual plots, three-dimensional characters and the ability to actually stay true to the source material. I really hope you get it finished!(!) That's the hardest part of a novel. And sorry for that little ranting tangent. |
In the book, they look like they are around the same age to me, so I was going to make them cousins. Like I stated, I don't know much about royal bloodlines. Like, I don't exactly know what a duchess is... how sad. Is there a website that I can go to that can tell me this stuff?
As for making the Queen of Hearts a hero... no. I don't think the book made her good or bad, IMO. This is just a novel of who she is and how she came to be.
Unfortunately, there is a big trial going on for a girl named Casey Anthony. I've followed this story from day one, and I, honestly, want to see her go to prison for a loooong time. It's been consuming all my free-time. Oh, the lies, deception, and drama this girl has caused!
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A mosquito was heard to complain
That a chemist had poisoned his brain;
The cause of his sorrow
Was paradichloro-
Diphenyltrichloroethane.
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Alyss
Lewis Carroll
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:51 am Post subject: |
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Just an update: a lot of things have been happening, but, now ive got time to invest in this story. I WILL be depending on your smart minds to help me, though, if that's okay?
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A mosquito was heard to complain
That a chemist had poisoned his brain;
The cause of his sorrow
Was paradichloro-
Diphenyltrichloroethane.
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Beautiful Soup
Lewis Carroll
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:43 am Post subject: |
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Hey look - Some blighter's been and pinched your idea - And they're only blooming publishing it!
http://www.alice-in-wonderland.....php?t=2983
(Unless you ARE Amy Dale of course, in which case, mazeltov)
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Alyss
Lewis Carroll
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, looks like someone got to it before I could.
Damn. I had the storyline all worked out, too. I was also planning on submitting it to NaNoWriMo! -_-
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A mosquito was heard to complain
That a chemist had poisoned his brain;
The cause of his sorrow
Was paradichloro-
Diphenyltrichloroethane.
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Beautiful Soup
Lewis Carroll
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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You shouldn't let it deter you - if that's the story you want to write, you should write it
You know Shakespeare based The Tempest on a play he found in a bookshop? He just took the story and rewrote it - Presumably because he knew he could do a better job of it
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